Auto-learning

neoncube

I've added a slider for choosing how many times a word must be correctly typed before it's considered learnt.

By setting the slider to 1, it should be possible to pretty much auto-learn words, since one only needs to type each word correctly once to have it be learnt 🙂

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God willing, I'll probably still look into a way to let people fully auto-learn words, but this was easy to implement 🙂

DW7

This sounds perfect to me as it will ensure I get tested on every word/ entry and get me to revise it (immediately and after a period of time) if I get it wrong.

Thanks !

It would also be good if once the number of words were chosen it was either remembered as a global default for me, or a default for that particular course (for me).

neoncube

Agreed! 🙂 I'd like to add global and course-specific settings, at some point. Perhaps even language-specific settings, since if I'm learning Chinese characters, I'd like to be tested a bunch of times before the word is considered learned, but perhaps not if I'm learning something that comes more naturally to me 🙂

johnastsang

neoncube I really appreciate this flexibility! It's obvious that for us English speakers, learning French vocabulary generally needs less repetitions than learning, say, Arabic vocabulary. For tricky words, I personally find Memrise's "Difficult Words" review section quite useful - maybe worth considering implementing in later stages.

It's exciting to see Classic Memrise will not just be preserved, but also improved with features that never existed on Memrise! This is why I start to see the proposed end of Classic Memrise a blessing in disguise, because if Memrise didn't decide to end the support, the community courses would just be left there without any improvement or promotion. Now they're getting new lives!

johnastsang

@[deleted] An idea: When Multiple Choice Test and Jumbled Word Test are implemented, maybe also add an option for the learner to decide on the proportion of each test? For instance, if I set "Times to test" as 6, the possibilities below will be available:

(MC Test : JW Test : Typing Test)

3 : 3 : 0 (for learning words, half typing half MC);

1 : 3 : 2 (for learning sentences);

6 : 0 : 0 (MC only if you want it quick and easy);

0 : 0 : 6 (Typing only if you want it hard but impressive);

among others.

The tests, if opted, will appear in such an order (MC -> JW -> Type), for this is how they rank in terms of difficulty.

neoncube

@johnastsang I hope some other people comment on this, over time, as I'd be interested in hearing other people's feedback on this 🙂

DW7

neoncube

I'd just go for a simple "choose which learning (or revision) system you want" for each session.

And I'd like it to be set by me for each course until I changed it.

So in practice I might go for pairs first, then words, then finally typing (as long as it isn't a long sentence).

If that makes sense.

On MemRise I set one of the three systems (for everyone) for each course, based on the contents.

PPS

Actually, I would prefer this as a default and then users could change it if they really wanted to.

On most courses where "one word" answers were needed to a longer definition, then the one word would be typing, but the "definition" would be chosen from 4 or 6 alternative boxes.

So two systems applied to one course. That is the advantage of having levels for pairs of answers.

In addition, on some courses (not as extreme as mentioned just above) I would create a duplicate set of levels, where the first set was "no typing" (matching say) then the second set would be tested by selecting "words" or even typing) for people who had progressed from NT.

Olaf.Rabbachin

I think it's very important to keep it simple. At lleast if you want to attract a broader group of people. Anki's main problem IMHO is that it's just too convoluted with all those options and possibilities.

While it's great to have many possibilities, I presume that the by far greater share of people doesn't want to read a book before being able to learn.

A few quick thoughts: If I'd do it, I'd probably attempt to create a) a simple settings-group and b) an experts settings-group.
It would be helpful if every option was well documented. That is, apart from descriptive text, it would ideally show screenshots of what a setting does. But since there is a strong tendency in software design for UI-changes, this may prove to be very hard (i. e. time-consuming) to maintain up to date.

johnastsang

Olaf.Rabbachin A few quick thoughts: If I'd do it, I'd probably attempt to create a) a simple settings-group and b) an experts settings-group.

I second this, then we can cater both needs - one want it simple (more like Memrise), and one want it customisable (more like Anki).

Regarding the testing option, I think we can set the default as 6 times to test, with 3 MCs and 3 Typings for words, and 1 MC, 3 JWs and 2 Typings for sentences. For those who want it more customisable, they can go to Settings to turn on the toggles.

DW7

@neoncube

I wonder it you'd like to move most of the replies above to a Testing Methods thread, rather than Auto-leaning.